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Post by isador21 on Mar 7, 2009 23:02:15 GMT
Guess one can't be into both listening and playing music... Playing is already an insanely expensive hobby... And buying a shitload of albums makes it impossible to save up for anything greater than a Squire bass... By the way, the new Sonic Youth album is to be released on April 28th and there's a montage of the new material on their website...
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Post by blondeambassador on Mar 7, 2009 23:12:05 GMT
Guess one can't be into both listening and playing music... You don't mean that. That is such a ridiculous statement that I know you cannot mean that.
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Post by isador21 on Mar 7, 2009 23:55:48 GMT
Guess one can't be into both listening and playing music... You don't mean that. That is such a ridiculous statement that I know you cannot mean that. I mean, to be REALLY into both, as in buying/pre-ordering many albums , live DVDs AND having lots of instruments, amps, pedals...
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Post by blondeambassador on Mar 7, 2009 23:58:06 GMT
Yeah, you mean buying, it's got nothing to do with how into it you are...I know what you mean but the statement itself just clanged, the pedant in me had to sort it out.
I'm not usually a fan of live DVDs personally tbh....I always end up watching them once maybe, and then they sit on the shelf and get dusty, its just not even close to being at a gig for me so there isn't an awful lot of appeal in them, unless it was an especially legendary or amazing gig.
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Post by isador21 on Mar 8, 2009 0:20:23 GMT
Then you haven't seen Porcupine Tree's Arriving Somewhere...
The thing with very popular bands is that their gigs usually sound like shit, or there are just too many people for one to either see or hear the band at least decently... The crowd and placing really killed my first and only Tool gig.
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Post by Lawrie on Mar 8, 2009 0:33:09 GMT
Hmmm, veering slightly off topic here, but I LOVE live DVDs myself, especially ones that have excellent audio and visual production values of the gig they're capturing.
For me, it's all about recreating memories of a good time in your life, which - hopefully - the gigs you go to are. Live DVDs are a way of helping you to remember the brilliant time you might have had watching Band X, and even more so if Band X are no longer playing live shows/have split up etc.
Two excellent archetype examples of live DVDs that don't exist (or at least, professionally filmed, legitimate non-bootleg copies don't exist) that I would give my eye-teeth to own are:
1) Hope Of The States - one of my favourite bands of all time, the first time I saw them play was at a speculative punt on them at the Oxford Zodiac in 2003 when I was a student (supported by Razorlight that night: oh if their commercial fortunes in future could have been reversed...) and the show was in my Top 3 gigs of all time (along with PRR at the Water Rats, and The Music at the London Forum) due to the immense orchestral power of the band and the fact that I was brand new to them so I had no idea what to expect. They've now [tragically] split up and so I'll never get to hear them play live again: but they were as good (better, even) than ANY other live band I've ever seen, and I haven't got a good quality video of them (bar a one-song appearance on a Later DVD) to remember the brilliant times I had watching them. It's actually making me well up a little just typing this knowing that that's it for them and no decent recording to remind me will ever be turning up in the future. Yah boo sucks to that... and yes, I need to man-up as well...
2) Radiohead - I'd put PRR as my current favourite band, but Radiohead have been my favourite band for a longer period than any other holders of that prestigious title. OK Computer is still my favourite album ever. But the first time I ever got to see Radiohead was in 2000 (on the London leg of their Kid A Tent Tour), so I've never got to see my musical heroes playing my favourite era of their catalogue when it was brand new. I've seen them do Paranoid Android and Exit Music and Karma Police and so on during several subsequent album tours, but it's not the same as when that material is the New Album stuff that they're on the road to promote, and still has that freshness and new energy in the setlist. So consequently, I'd love a good quality DVD of a show on the OK Computer tour, just to get a taste of what it must have been like to see those songs at the time. Luckily, with a band as big as Radiohead, there are plenty of very decent and even some professional quality video recordings out there if you take the trouble to look, but I'd still prefer to buy something that the band had put out there themselves: if nothing else, it gives you comfort over the effort put into the DVD and the fact that there should be an excellent level of quality control with the video etc. It still mystifies me that they've never put out any live DVDs of themselves as a band.
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Post by blondeambassador on Mar 8, 2009 0:50:09 GMT
Then you haven't seen Porcupine Tree's Arriving Somewhere... As it happens, I have. S'alright. Like I said, watched it once, put it on the shelf and thats where it lives. To be honest, I think its partly a lack of time- when I do have time to watch DVDs, I'll tend to chose films or TV series, mainly because I spend my life listening to music, so it's a chance to catch up on other things. Even PRR at Rockpalast has only been watched twice, and I think we all know for me thats saying something! I have a really poor attention span for visual things, I'll be the first to admit it, its the same problem I have with films sometimes, so maybe thats why I don't find them that engrossing. I'm not saying I don't think they are a good thing, they certainly have their merits, particularly for the reasons Lawrie explained, I haven't personally had a band I adore split yet but I'm sure a live DVD would be much more precious to me then. And yes...we're OT, but this thread had been dead for weeks anyway...
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Post by ryan on Mar 8, 2009 1:14:00 GMT
Then you haven't seen Porcupine Tree's Arriving Somewhere In the grand scale of live DVDs, it's really not that good
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Post by Lawrie on Mar 8, 2009 1:43:25 GMT
Ah, what the hell then, I'll continue with the outrageous O/T-ness of this discussion! ;D I think I'm kinda opposite to you, BA, in that the visual aspects of live shows hold that much more interest and 'staying power' for me. In fact, the thing I'm probably least bothered about in terms of all the different things you can take from following a band is live audio-only recordings, be they bootlegs or genuine bona fide band releases. I loved playing Live At NEARfest when it came out, but I would've come a hell of a lot closer to wearing out the DVD disc than the CD if the rumoured dual-pack idea had ever come about. I'm not all that bothered about getting copies of EVERY PRR bootleg that people provide flac and mp3 shows of on here and in other forums, but if anything else similar to the Rockpalast DVD capture came to light, I'd be all over it in a flash. For me, live music (when not at a gig, that's great: listening to a CD/DVD recording of one) is generally never as good as listening to the studio versions of the same songs. That's not a hard and fast rule - some songs are played in different arrangements live to how the studio version was done and are rewarding in a completely new and different way (Radiohead's Like Spinning Plates is an excellent example of this); and some songs just have extra 'oomph' and energy when played live (again with the Radiohead, but Idioteque is a prime example of this type) that sounds better than the studio version. But in general, for me at least, studio tracks are the better experience aurally, and so to be interested in a live version of a song, I want to be able to see the band/artist creating that sound live on a stage to excite me about the music, and bridge that gap in inferior sound enjoyment. But I'm also generally interested in visual things in general, now you've got me thinking about it. I'm desperate to get some PRR art stuff/posters to hang up on my wall (alongside other band posters, and some Stanley Donwood [Radiohead's art chap] prints) because the visual associations I have with my music are pretty important to me. I love a good projector backdrop to a live band, and while it's genuinely no loss to me if there isn't one, if there is one (and it's good: type2error-doing-HOTS-gigs good etc) then it can really add an extra element to my enjoyment of a gig. Similarly, I love films and take a great interest in cinema - not to ridiculous levels, but it's nearly on a par with music in my life, and while I could never hope to challenge the knowledge of someone who was a true cinema bod (or a true music bod), I have a reasonably healthy knowledge in both fields. Anyway, it's an interesting point to raise, because I'd never considered before how much visual stimuli are important to me, and I'd never thought about how not everyone might share those same values, so there's some good discussion to be had on the subject, I think.
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Post by musecubed on Mar 9, 2009 1:15:30 GMT
1) Hope Of The States - one of my favourite bands of all time, the first time I saw them play was at a speculative punt on them at the Oxford Zodiac in 2003 when I was a student (supported by Razorlight that night: oh if their commercial fortunes in future could have been reversed...) and the show was in my Top 3 gigs of all time (along with PRR at the Water Rats, and The Music at the London Forum) due to the immense orchestral power of the band and the fact that I was brand new to them so I had no idea what to expect. They've now [tragically] split up and so I'll never get to hear them play live again: but they were as good (better, even) than ANY other live band I've ever seen, and I haven't got a good quality video of them (bar a one-song appearance on a Later DVD) to remember the brilliant times I had watching them. It's actually making me well up a little just typing this knowing that that's it for them and no decent recording to remind me will ever be turning up in the future. Yah boo sucks to that... and yes, I need to man-up as well... I got that horrible sinking, stomach churning feeling when I saw they split up. I only got to see them 3 times and all the live recordings I've got of them are a bit cack. And to think...if it weren't for HotS I may never have discovered PRR...
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Post by Lawrie on Mar 9, 2009 8:34:43 GMT
Yeah, we share the same pain my friend! HOTS were actually directly responsible for getting me into PRR, as I discovered our favourite Reading/London chums while they were supporting Hope Of The States at the Astoria in 2004, so at least they left me with a new and equally brilliant band to fill the hole they left in my musical heroes 2 years later... but I miss that 2 year period of being able to see BOTH bands!
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Post by flyingswordfish on Mar 13, 2009 15:45:31 GMT
Dream Theater just announced their new album, Black Clouds and Silver Linings, which will be released on June 23rd. I can't wait for this one!
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Post by isador21 on Mar 13, 2009 16:55:08 GMT
Hope that one won't be cheesy overdone prog-metal like the last one...
Oh and I just got Steven Wilson's Insurgentes, and in the sleeve was a tiny Kscope catalog announcing these upcoming albums :
Pineaple Thief - 3000 Days
and...
Anekdoten - Chapters
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Post by musecubed on Mar 14, 2009 2:17:00 GMT
Yeah, we share the same pain my friend! HOTS were actually directly responsible for getting me into PRR, as I discovered our favourite Reading/London chums while they were supporting Hope Of The States at the Astoria in 2004, so at least they left me with a new and equally brilliant band to fill the hole they left in my musical heroes 2 years later... but I miss that 2 year period of being able to see BOTH bands! Haha, snap! I think I bought Apprentice very soon after that gig. Then forgot about PRR until early 2006, just in time for TDT and have never looked back.
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Post by neilpalfreyman on Mar 14, 2009 7:51:47 GMT
Hope that one won't be cheesy overdone prog-metal like the last one... Oh and I just got Steven Wilson's Insurgentes, and in the sleeve was a tiny Kscope catalog announcing these upcoming albums : Pineaple Thief - 3000 Days and... Anekdoten - Chapters That flyer has caused much confusion over at The Pineapple Thief web site since it was originally going to be on th Dawn Raids EP, got withdrawn supposedly for the next album but is now appearing as a "coming soon" in the Kscope catalogue. It's supposed to be an amazingly good song and is now part of the live set but they haven't played it in the UK yet! Should get chance to hear it in Bristol on the 21st April - they're playing a warm-up for their Canadian gig at the Louisiana in Bristol.
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