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Post by timpenumbra on Mar 26, 2007 21:50:55 GMT
Killed cross half dead they roamed..............
that's as much as I can work out! (and that might be wrong)... hopefully the guys will supply lyrics with the download? If not, let's try and work them out..........
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Post by blondeambassador on Mar 27, 2007 0:29:41 GMT
Thats more than I could work out...I think we tried this with The Twyncyn/Trembling Willows, with quite entertaining results, I don't know if I dare even embark upon this task tomorrow!
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Post by Twixrgreat on Mar 27, 2007 12:21:45 GMT
Just listened to the 'new' release. It' answered the question 'why are they giving it away for free instead of selling the download?'
It is absolutely awful! Here's why...........
Lyrics....why oh why do PRR insist on writing nonsensical Lear-esque lyrics? Ok, the dreams on TDT thing was a reasonable excuse, but you can't pin your future on one premise. Change is a necessity Even our heroes Pink Floyd wrote meaningful lyrics at times, but I can't think of one PRR song that isn't just written to their 'formula' (which is 'write a nonsensical line, then an equally nonsensical rhyme). I'll be more than happy to give many examples. Now, this may go down well with Johnny Foreigner who doesn't understand the words anyway, but I sometimes wish they would write something I can identify with .
Music....well, Victorious Cupid is just a regurgitation of every hook and structure used on TDT. Listen to it and you've heard it all before.
No originality, nothing new.
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Post by blondeambassador on Mar 27, 2007 12:28:45 GMT
I disagree with the point that NONE of their songs make sense...I don't believe they are all nonsensical- some moreso than others yes, but not all. Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive fan of good lyrics...sometimes, but lyrics aren't always everything, I don't like to be told what to think when I listen to a song.
I suppose it's just a matter of opinion mind you. I think although obviously the style is the same, as it is the same band after all, Victorious Cupid is refreshing, there is enough new in it for it to be a great track.
On the subject of lyrics, I think they are going to posted on their page, at some point in the near future, so no need for labouriously attempting to guess
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Post by thisisexploding on Mar 27, 2007 22:12:54 GMT
Lyrics....why oh why do PRR insist on writing nonsensical Lear-esque lyrics? Ok, the dreams on TDT thing was a reasonable excuse, but you can't pin your future on one premise. Change is a necessity Even our heroes Pink Floyd wrote meaningful lyrics at times, but I can't think of one PRR song that isn't just written to their 'formula' (which is 'write a nonsensical line, then an equally nonsensical rhyme). h'mm.. would you rather they borrowed Brian Molko's Rhyming Dictionary? admittedly when I read the lyrics printed in the Dark Third sleeve I was somewhat bemused, but they flow and they fit. for all I know the band could use Bowie's cut'n'paste style of song-writing. Music....well, Victorious Cupid is just a regurgitation of every hook and structure used on TDT. Listen to it and you've heard it all before. yeah OK, I'll concede that one. it has an all too familiar sound to it but, I've found, if I play it loud enough, I really don't care  |
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Post by Neillwith2Ls on Mar 29, 2007 12:24:43 GMT
I thought VC sounded miles more rocking than anything on TDT when I first heard it at the Blackfield gig, but some of thar ferocity has been toned down with the studio version. It's still good though (even though I can't understand what they're singing about!)
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Post by blondeambassador on Mar 29, 2007 12:40:46 GMT
I think they mention love once or twice  I THINK I've worked out a few bits in my head so I can sort of mumble along but I'm sure as always I'm totally wrong...knowing them, they're probably not even talking about love at all! |
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Post by Neillwith2Ls on Mar 29, 2007 12:42:47 GMT
I think they mention love once or twice I THINK I've worked out a few bits in my head so I can sort of mumble along but I'm sure as always I'm totally wrong...knowing them, they're probably not even talking about love at all! Just make sure no-one's looking when you sing along at a gig |
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Post by ryan on Mar 29, 2007 12:45:40 GMT
I'm sure Jamies noticed me fumbling over lyrics and things trying to sing along at gigs.
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Post by stumoo on Mar 29, 2007 13:25:39 GMT
I think Victorious Cupid is really quite different to what's on TDT. It rocks a bit more than anything (apart from Trembling Willows, maybe), and obviously is shorter and sharper too. I want to hear a few more new songs before I say 'they're all the same'. You can't compare Golden Clothes either, I know that was written a long time ago.
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Post by originalsplodge on Apr 20, 2007 0:04:20 GMT
Just listened to the 'new' release. It' answered the question 'why are they giving it away for free instead of selling the download?' It is absolutely awful! Here's why........... Lyrics....why oh why do PRR insist on writing nonsensical Lear-esque lyrics? Ok, the dreams on TDT thing was a reasonable excuse, but you can't pin your future on one premise. Change is a necessity Even our heroes Pink Floyd wrote meaningful lyrics at times, but I can't think of one PRR song that isn't just written to their 'formula' (which is 'write a nonsensical line, then an equally nonsensical rhyme). I'll be more than happy to give many examples. Now, this may go down well with Johnny Foreigner who doesn't understand the words anyway, but I sometimes wish they would write something I can identify with . Music....well, Victorious Cupid is just a regurgitation of every hook and structure used on TDT. Listen to it and you've heard it all before. No originality, nothing new. Reasonable point...however i would argue that being true to the concept of dreaming and the mind, the lyrics are supposed to be pretty far out of left-field. I read Gerard de Nervals "Aurelia" which im assuming was John Courtney's key inspiration, arguably the "formula" is more to do with the mind and metaphysical phenomena and speculation "I have never felt any rest in sleep. For a few seconds i am numbed, then a new life begins, freed from the conditions of time and space....." (Gerard Nerval). Also their discography is pretty limited, i agree that change should be an eventuality, but surely we should leave that to the artists disgression, creativity is objective. (what a load of bullcrap) anyway i love Victorious Cupid, and TDT, in my opinion is an extremely clever album. |
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Post by ryan on Apr 21, 2007 23:44:32 GMT
While I don't remember Jim posting... did Jims dad post at one time on the old board (question not accusation)
Anywoo, can't make out LOADS of the lyrics really. Be interesting to hear where they go lyrically on the next album, certainly wouldn't expect the dreams thing to be a theme again, but I do expect something equally pretentious (not a criticism, love the pretentious me!)
EDIT: shocking spelling.
And HA at twixrgreat being so defensive, if your not Jim, who cares?!
... I want a Twix.
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Post by the dark fourth on Oct 18, 2007 20:00:12 GMT
Several things to point out on this discussion:
a) although Victorious Cupid does sound very similar to TDT in general, if you listen closely there are plenty of new (and awesome) riffs, and the a capella bit at the beginning is awesome.
b) I think the indecipherability (is that a word?) of PRR's writing is part of their charm. It's so refreshing having a band that doesn't try and force its crazed political views (even if I agree with most of them) down your throat, but instead lets you take what you want from the overall impression. And the real beauty is that every now and again you do catch a phrase, and it has so much more meaning for its rarity. The little snippets of imagery you can glean are so suggestive and beautiful, it inspires me far more than if they'd told me something plainly that I can't question or adapt to my own feelings. The quality of true creative beauty comes as much from the listener/reader etc as it does from the composer/author etc. That's why PPR are creative geniuses - they acknowledge this. If you want music to change the world, of course, then its no good, but if you just want something beautiful, then its perfect.
c) I agree change is needed, though I would call more for 'development' rather out and out sudden change. If you listen to Radiohead's early stuff (as a random example) it sounds nothing like Kid A etc... Bands develop, and I'm sure PRR is no exception. I can't wait to see what progress the next album brings. Some of the new tracks they played at Southampton the other night were sounding way more metal-ish than they've previously been. I'm so excited!
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Post by Lawrie on Nov 21, 2007 11:05:09 GMT
Several things to point out on this discussion: a) although Victorious Cupid does sound very similar to TDT in general, if you listen closely there are plenty of new (and awesome) riffs, and the a capella bit at the beginning is awesome. b) I think the indecipherability (is that a word?) of PRR's writing is part of their charm. It's so refreshing having a band that doesn't try and force its crazed political views (even if I agree with most of them) down your throat, but instead lets you take what you want from the overall impression. And the real beauty is that every now and again you do catch a phrase, and it has so much more meaning for its rarity. The little snippets of imagery you can glean are so suggestive and beautiful, it inspires me far more than if they'd told me something plainly that I can't question or adapt to my own feelings. The quality of true creative beauty comes as much from the listener/reader etc as it does from the composer/author etc. That's why PPR are creative geniuses - they acknowledge this. If you want music to change the world, of course, then its no good, but if you just want something beautiful, then its perfect. c) I agree change is needed, though I would call more for 'development' rather out and out sudden change. If you listen to Radiohead's early stuff (as a random example) it sounds nothing like Kid A etc... Bands develop, and I'm sure PRR is no exception. I can't wait to see what progress the next album brings. Some of the new tracks they played at Southampton the other night were sounding way more metal-ish than they've previously been. I'm so excited! Okay, TDF, I'll try and kick things off again a little round here by replying to two of your points: b) Lyrics-wise, I think PRR are fairly useless. It's all just gibberish to me. Maybe that points to something wrong with me, but I've never rated lyrics that do the whole 'stream of consciousness, make up your own interpretation' thing. However, and I'd like to make this very clear, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL to me. When a band sounds as good as PRR do, the vocals are just another (brilliant) instrument in the mix, and the lyrics are of no consequence whatsoever to me. I feel exactly the same way about some of my favourite bands: The Mars Volta, Sigur Ros, The Music, Mew - IMO the lyrics of all of these bands are completely dispensable [i.e. they might just as well be singing the contents of the Yellow Pages for all I care], but they *sound* brilliant. And this is all that matters to me. To quote Mansun's hidden track on Attack Of The Grey Lantern, "the lyrics aren't supposed to mean that much, they're just a vehicle for the lovely noise". Exactly how I treat PRR's and other such bands' lyrics. Doesn't stop me loving their music though. That said, I *do* like a sharp set of lyrics from bands that make that their focus. Bands like Pulp, The Streets (first two albums), The Dears, OK Computer-era Radiohead, Sons & Daughters and Arctic Monkeys are all excellent lyricists in my opinion, and I think all the better for it as the vocals don't seem to be an extra 'instrument' - the genius is mainly in the content, rather than the sound of the voice. Although that's not to say I don't love Thom Yorke's voice, for example. Anyway, what I'm trying to get across is that a decent set of lyrics is always welcome for me, but if I like the overall *sound* that a band makes, then I don't care if they're lyrics aren't any good, as with PRR. And it's just my personal opinion that PRR's lyrics are fairly dispensable: fair play to anyone who thinks that they are really good lyrically - it's just not my cup of tea. c) Re: PRR's sound, and future development of it - obviously, most people won't want to hear a carbon-copy of The Dark Third for PRR's next album. The things I love about PRR are the vocal harmonies between Jon and Chloe (and Jamie when he chips in), and the absolutely brilliant production values to their songs. Nearly all of their songs are superbly layered with beautifully subtle little touches (right up there with my favourite producers like Jim Abbiss and Rich Costey), and it makes their songs a joy to listen to on headphones for me. So I hope that their next album includes both these facets: the vocal harmonies and the top notch production values. In the 'newer' songs that we've heard (i.e. Golden Clothes [even if it has been around for a while, it's still a new-ish release], Victorious Cupid and Deus Ex Machina), the band seem to have gone either 'dancier' (GC), more metal-like (VC), or both (DEM). Personally, I really like their 'dance-y'/electronica slant on stuff - the last minute or two of Golden Clothes and the keyboards at 3:53 on the Krakow YouTube of Deus Ex Machina are brilliant IMO, and I'd like to see this side of their sound develop on the new album. ;D |
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Post by blondeambassador on Nov 21, 2007 15:13:57 GMT
I'm almost certain they intend to go a little more down the electronic road on the next album...it was a good while ago but I vaguely remember Jon saying something about it plus, the electro scene is something they are all very much into at the minute, so it shouldn't come as a suprise if that is reflected in their new album. If they continue like Deus Ex Machina though, I think this could be a very good thing! I think they're possibly distancing themselves from the whole 'prog' thing a little...I know they were never keen on that label in the first place!
Oh, and re the lyrics...I guess I don't think they particularly make sense all the time...but I like the quality of the words, I think it matches the sound if that makes sense to anyone- things like 'Goshens remains' and 'Ave verum trembling lovers' sound great with their musical sound, so while I don't think theres an awful lot of deep meaning to be found, I still wouldn't want the lyrical style to change!
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