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Post by ryan on Apr 14, 2009 20:30:44 GMT
It's leaked. I think it's out next week... There's a DVD with a documentary and some live video as well. and most modern prog is pretty lame. it's been done better than anyone will do it now.
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Post by shed unit on Apr 14, 2009 20:43:06 GMT
No prog = No PRR...
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Post by Nikos on Apr 14, 2009 21:23:03 GMT
yeah, you've got a point there.... ...apart from the fact that it's wrong...
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Post by Lawrie on Apr 14, 2009 22:55:25 GMT
Hmmm, can't agree with you there, NM. Without saying that prog was PRR's only influence, either now or in the past - which would be wrong - it's undeniable (surely?) that PRR owe a large debt to prog music, especially in The Dark Third era. The fact that their first hallmark song was named after a line in a Pink Floyd song makes this a non-starter of a debate IMO, not to mention the numerous comparisons to other progressive artists that the band have earned over their career to date. Sure, not every reference will be on the mark, but there have been so many that there's undoubtedly some truth in it, and if so then PRR would not exist as we know them without these influences. It's purely a semantical argument to say otherwise IMO - yep, PRR might still exist without prog, but they wouldn't be the same band we know and love today.
That's not to say PRR are a prog band, because I think that was a lazy-ish label for the band in The Dark Third era and just completely off the mark nowadays, but for my money it's no more true to say that PRR would exist without prog than it is to say that they'd exist without Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys.
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Post by ryan on Apr 15, 2009 2:11:47 GMT
True as that maybe, you don't have to be into prog to be into PRR. Not that I'm not, there's some old prog I dig a lot, most modern prog is balls though (I am, as ever, making a distinction between bands playing 'classic' sounding prog and bands doing some thing that's actually 'progressive')
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Post by shed unit on Apr 15, 2009 7:21:03 GMT
True, you don't have to like prog to enjoy PRR. but if you take away the 'progness' (Yes, it's a word!) from PRR then 'TDT' would be a completely different album and I don't think they'd be as popular as they are now.
I know it's not cool for people to like prog so they stay away from it, but the whole explaination of prog is that it all sounds different, so I don't think anyone can have an opinion of prog until you've listened to every prog band in the world!....
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Post by Stefan on Apr 15, 2009 9:22:18 GMT
PRR is a prog band but pretty different and unique. I like the prog influence in their music. And there's nothing wrong with being a prog band. Even Jon Courtney said that PRR is still prog. By the way PRR will appear on the Night of the Prog Festival next july.
I agree that you don't have to be a prog head to like PRR.
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Post by avometer on Apr 15, 2009 16:28:18 GMT
Hmmm, can't agree with you there, NM. Without saying that prog was PRR's only influence, either now or in the past - which would be wrong - it's undeniable (surely?) that PRR owe a large debt to prog music, especially in The Dark Third era. The fact that their first hallmark song was named after a line in a Pink Floyd song makes this a non-starter of a debate IMO, not to mention the numerous comparisons to other progressive artists that the band have earned over their career to date. Sure, not every reference will be on the mark, but there have been so many that there's undoubtedly some truth in it, and if so then PRR would not exist as we know them without these influences. It's purely a semantical argument to say otherwise IMO - yep, PRR might still exist without prog, but they wouldn't be the same band we know and love today. That's not to say PRR are a prog band, because I think that was a lazy-ish label for the band in The Dark Third era and just completely off the mark nowadays, but for my money it's no more true to say that PRR would exist without prog than it is to say that they'd exist without Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys. You ought to get out more, mate, instead of talking tosh.
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Post by Nikos on Apr 15, 2009 16:38:09 GMT
Hmmm, can't agree with you there, NM. Without saying that prog was PRR's only influence, either now or in the past - which would be wrong - it's undeniable (surely?) that PRR owe a large debt to prog music, especially in The Dark Third era. The fact that their first hallmark song was named after a line in a Pink Floyd song makes this a non-starter of a debate IMO, not to mention the numerous comparisons to other progressive artists that the band have earned over their career to date. Sure, not every reference will be on the mark, but there have been so many that there's undoubtedly some truth in it, and if so then PRR would not exist as we know them without these influences. It's purely a semantical argument to say otherwise IMO - yep, PRR might still exist without prog, but they wouldn't be the same band we know and love today. That's not to say PRR are a prog band, because I think that was a lazy-ish label for the band in The Dark Third era and just completely off the mark nowadays, but for my money it's no more true to say that PRR would exist without prog than it is to say that they'd exist without Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys. You ought to get out more, mate, instead of talking tosh. touchy.
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Post by ryan on Apr 15, 2009 19:00:08 GMT
This is such a non-starter of a debate anyway.
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Post by Lawrie on Apr 15, 2009 19:21:44 GMT
Hmmm, can't agree with you there, NM. Without saying that prog was PRR's only influence, either now or in the past - which would be wrong - it's undeniable (surely?) that PRR owe a large debt to prog music, especially in The Dark Third era. The fact that their first hallmark song was named after a line in a Pink Floyd song makes this a non-starter of a debate IMO, not to mention the numerous comparisons to other progressive artists that the band have earned over their career to date. Sure, not every reference will be on the mark, but there have been so many that there's undoubtedly some truth in it, and if so then PRR would not exist as we know them without these influences. It's purely a semantical argument to say otherwise IMO - yep, PRR might still exist without prog, but they wouldn't be the same band we know and love today. That's not to say PRR are a prog band, because I think that was a lazy-ish label for the band in The Dark Third era and just completely off the mark nowadays, but for my money it's no more true to say that PRR would exist without prog than it is to say that they'd exist without Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys. You ought to get out more, mate, instead of talking tosh. Care to expand on that?
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Post by Nikos on Apr 15, 2009 19:39:56 GMT
nah, he probably doesn't, mate. he's probably too busy learning how to count.
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Post by the dark fourth on Apr 15, 2009 22:59:20 GMT
Well anyway, I'm listening to Johnny Foreigner a lot at the mo. I heard quite a lot about them but was too lazy to investigate until I saw them supporting Hundred Reasons a couple of weeks ago. Now I really love them. Aesthetically they're not anything special, and they're a little ways from my normal music taste, but they just radiate such sincerity and excitement and realness that I can't turn them off. Seem to me an embodiment of all that's good about the British music scene at the mo.
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Post by mhx on Apr 15, 2009 23:48:17 GMT
Steven Wilson - Insurgentes If These Trees Could Talk - Above The Earth, Below The Sky Lazuli - En Avant Doute Cardinale - 31:13 Scraps Of Tape - Grand Letdown Rose Kemp - Unholy Majesty Leech - The Stolen View ...although right now I'm listening to "my" Introduction to PRR album for the fourth time...
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Post by isador21 on Apr 16, 2009 6:09:02 GMT
Trying to "get" the bass in technical bands such as Dream Theater and Symphony X... Really digging the new (leaked ) O.S.I. and some Opeth, and ofcourse, the leaked 65daysofstatic live album
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