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Post by isador21 on Jun 29, 2008 3:33:27 GMT
If anybody receives it before I do, can you upload it and PM me the link, please? I wasn't born patient  Already had to endure the prom without that album ... (Yea, I'm one of those losers who spent their prom listening to music in a corner) |
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Post by chutch15 on Jun 29, 2008 17:28:51 GMT
if anyone gets the live album soon, could they please seed it on piratebay.org? Pretty please? Considering that the band, their manager, and NEARfest Records (me) read this board, this is a very uncool thing to post. |
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Post by chutch15 on Jun 29, 2008 17:31:40 GMT
A fair point I guess...though I'm not sure if nearfest has already paid PRR all they're gonna get from this deal, or whether PRR's profits are linked to record sales... Like any other release, the band was given an advance and they will get a royalty per disc sold. In any case, there is no justification for "stealing" copyrighted material. If you want to support PRR, buy the live album, don't rip it. Thanks. |
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Post by Lawrie on Jun 29, 2008 19:20:58 GMT
I've been away/busy for a couple of days (black tie piss-up for alumni at my old university: wahoo!) so I've only just seen this thread. I can only echo what Tim and chutch have already said.
Links to steal [let's not beat about the bush, it's stealing] the band's published music are totally not on here and are not permitted. PRR have so far been good enough to not mind when people share unofficial fan-recorded bootlegs of their live gigs (on the proviso that no money is changing hands and any sharing is done out of goodwill). This is a totally different kettle of fish from people stealing music that the band have recorded for commercial release. You want the live album? Go buy it. Haven't got the cash available? Hard luck, that's how life works. (For the record, I haven't got too much cash spare at the moment so I'm hoping I'll be able to buy a copy at the Barfly gig, but if they're all sold out then that's life, it's the same for everyone.)
Please DO NOT post ANY links to torrents/downloads/whatever else that lead to the band's copyrighted material being stolen.
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Post by isador21 on Jun 29, 2008 19:34:44 GMT
What about those who bought the album and want to be able to listen to it as soon as possible, either through rips or the real thing in my mailbox in a couple days ...
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Post by Lawrie on Jun 29, 2008 19:44:04 GMT
Look, it's been made pretty clear - it doesn't matter if you're blatantly stealing the band's music like a **** or if you're paying £500k above the asking price for the new live album, on these boards there are no circumstances where we as a forum will ever be condoning or tolerating people posting links to places where the band's music can be stolen. We have a good relationship with the band and we want to keep it that way... something that isn't going to be achieved by signposting places where people can go to rip the band off, regardless of those who pay for the music like they should at a later date (and those people will be in the minority).
On a personal level, just have a bit of flippin' patience, man - you'll lead a happier life on all levels if you do.
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Post by isador21 on Jun 29, 2008 20:42:07 GMT
I don't have much to do but listen to music That makes this album a huge priority in my mind, some sort of obsession... Also, I was asking for a link in PM, not posted on the actual boards... Sorry if it offended you personally in anyway, it's just that patience should apply to when you can't have the object in question until a later date. In the present case, I *could* have an MP3 rip of it. We're not talking about anything illegal, I own a copy of that CD. The only difference is that my copy is collecting dust in some post office somewhere in the world at the moment instead of being in my CD player. Bah, it should be in my mailbox pretty soon anyway, since I was probably in the first batch sent... |
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Post by Lawrie on Jun 29, 2008 21:13:00 GMT
I don't have much to do but listen to music That makes this album a huge priority in my mind, some sort of obsession... Also, I was asking for a link in PM, not posted on the actual boards... Sorry if it offended you personally in anyway, it's just that patience should apply to when you can't have the object in question until a later date. In the present case, I *could* have an MP3 rip of it. We're not talking about anything illegal, I own a copy of that CD. The only difference is that my copy is collecting dust in some post office somewhere in the world at the moment instead of being in my CD player. Bah, it should be in my mailbox pretty soon anyway, since I was probably in the first batch sent... You haven't offended me personally, I was just making clear the position of the forum on posting links to illegal sharing of PRR's recorded music. Speaking for just myself and offering my personal opinion, and not intending to be patronising, I think you could do with broadening your horizons beyond your love of music. Nothing wrong with being passionate about things in life (I certainly am about PRR's music as well), but I think you won't have as full and happy a life as you could have if you focus on one thing you're passionate about to the exclusion of everything else. Chill and kick back a bit more, and do something else while you wait for your album to arrive, I think you'd be a lot more content for doing so. But hey, that's just my personal tuppence-worth, feel free to take that on board or disregard it as you please. Back on the Party Line, I'm not sure what Admin thinks about people asking for PM's to be sent containing links to illegal sharing sources of PRR's commercially recorded material, but in lieu of her opinion I suggest for the time being people REFRAIN from both sending AND soliciting for PM's containing this information. It's still abetting the process of people stealing PRR's music, and in my opinion it's no different to people posting these links in public. So until people hear different, please DON'T get involved with PM's containing these links. And, as above, I can categorically state (without the need to ask Admin) that under NO circumstances will we condone or tolerate the posting of such links on these forums. If you've ordered the album, it will be with you soon and this is NO excuse for being a part of the problem when it comes to the illegal distribution of PRR's music. |
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Post by eljobo on Jun 30, 2008 0:49:08 GMT
it isn't stealing; it is viral advertising. nobody is taking the bread out of PRR's mouths, as already explained in this thread as nearfest owns the rights . All 1000 copies will be sold. SHARING WILL THEREFORE ONLY BENEFIT THE BAND hell yes! PRR is still in the phase in their career where they are expanding their fanbase. After a band has a hardcore enough fanbase it doesn't need everyone to buy its product because the hardcore fans are enough to keep them afloat. Kind of like when NIN sold that super deluxe edition of Ghosts I-IV for $300 to 2500 fans. They relied on hardcore fans not all fans for the majority of profits and that's probably going to be the future of many talented bands like PRR so "stealing" of their albums won't really matter because they're talented enough to have real fans that will buy CDs, t-shits, vinyl and tickets and the more people that are exposed to them the more fans they'll be able to make. I stole the music at first too. how the hell was I going to be exposed to it anyway? I'm not going to buy a CD off Amazon of a band that was recommended to me by last.fm before hearing the album first. Let's not forget why people started stealing in the first place: overpriced albums with only one or two good tracks on them anyway. The internet allowed us to check out what if we liked something before we bought it. That's why music listeners have increasingly split of into more and more niche communities. A lot of the people that hear PRR will probably not like them, and that's just fine for them, they can move on, but some that hear them will want to own all their albums and go to a concert too. |
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Post by isador21 on Jun 30, 2008 2:21:34 GMT
Completely agreed ... It's not stealing, it's appreciating. You can choose to buy it if you like. The possibility to have it for free is still there. Before the internet, people recorded the big hits on radio and didn't buy more CDs, really ... At least, this generation has easy access to entire albums for free, it pushes the artists to make really moving music that is worth buying! Those progressive rock artists don't make hit singles, so you can't possibly get into them without a full CD. Music stores suck, they only sell the "hot" stuff. I live in canada, the only way I'm able to buy good european music is by paying like 3 times the price for shipment. With the poor paychecks I get, that means like ... 1 or 2 albums, for 2 weeks of work. 4 albums shouldn't cost all the money I earn in a month. Anyway, I bought that live album, so no reason to feel bad |
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Post by Lawrie on Jun 30, 2008 6:55:43 GMT
Chaps, regardless of whatever your views are about the rights and wrongs of illegal sharing of music in general, the bottom line is that we aren't going to facilitate people doing this with PRR's music on these boards.
As has been mentioned above, we are on good terms with the band and we don't want anything to jeopardise that. So debate the general point as much as you like, and as long as no one is using this forum as a channel to direct/get directions to places where PRR's music can be stolen then we're all cool.
(As a personal footnote that is just my opinion, why would anyone need to steal an album to check if it was any good in these days of Myspace and all the other streaming sites? Practically every band out there will have enough samples of their music available for streaming on the internet for you to decided whether you like them enough to buy their records or not. If anything, the situation is far better than the pre-internet radio situation - you'd never hear album tracks (non-singles) on the radio anyway, and these days sometimes you can via online streaming but even if you can't it's not like that's a regression. There are enough [legitimate] free samples of bands' music out there for people to make an informed decision about whether to buy a record or not that there's no real justification for stealing bands' music. It's not like you demand to see the whole of a film at the cinema before you decide if you want to pay for the ticket. Added to that there is the fact that albums are as cheap as I can remember them ever being in my 26 years (certainly in the UK) - 10 years ago there was no way you could get an album for £7-£9 like the average price today. Bottom line is, stop being tightasses and just pay the people who make the product that you consume a fair price for that product. Not got enough money to buy everything you'd like to? Boo fucking hoo, welcome to the world. I'd like to live in a bigger house, but I haven't got the money to do it so I don't. That's how life works.)
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2008 8:39:53 GMT
tell you what,
I'll go into HMV today and shoplift a copy of pet sounds,
don't worry it's ok, I own it already, but I'm just waiting to come in the post.
dick.
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Post by the dark fourth on Jun 30, 2008 15:22:05 GMT
Seeing as chutch has clarified the financial matter, I think I'm on scat and neckroman's side here. Also, idador, seeing as you live in Canada you'll probably get the album before any of us here in the UK.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2008 15:26:33 GMT
Completely agreed ... It's not stealing, it's appreciating. You can choose to buy it if you like. The possibility to have it for free is still there. Before the internet, people recorded the big hits on radio and didn't buy more CDs, really ... At least, this generation has easy access to entire albums for free, it pushes the artists to make really moving music that is worth buying! Those progressive rock artists don't make hit singles, so you can't possibly get into them without a full CD. Music stores suck, they only sell the "hot" stuff. I live in canada, the only way I'm able to buy good european music is by paying like 3 times the price for shipment. With the poor paychecks I get, that means like ... 1 or 2 albums, for 2 weeks of work. 4 albums shouldn't cost all the money I earn in a month. Anyway, I bought that live album, so no reason to feel bad to be honest all you're making is lame excuses. Should I go out and steal food from Waitrose because 'they should put the price of food down'? just because you have a shitty job, that's no excuse to hijack people's music which they work really hard to create, for not much money at all. who the fuck do you think you are? |
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Post by the dark fourth on Jun 30, 2008 15:34:11 GMT
My good sir! A civilised debate/argument is no place for such language! May I kindly ask you to not insult people with whom you disagree! I'm glad we can see eye-to-eye on this.  Plus, I just noticed that I am now a "Deus Ex Machina". This is either extremely cool or extremely sad. I like our weird ranking system. Are there any more levels above Deus Ex Machina? |
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