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Post by stumoo on Nov 29, 2008 22:59:34 GMT
Its okay. Stu forgive's you.
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Post by musecubed on Nov 30, 2008 17:40:55 GMT
Talking of being picky, the title should technically be amor omnia vincit...Romans always put the verb at the end. That's what I was thinking, but if it's poetic then the rules are relaxed slightly. I never got on with Latin poetry. |
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Post by forwardrob on Dec 1, 2008 1:39:39 GMT
Hang on, Classics student in the forum  The pronunciation should be, pretty much as was decided: "ah-more win-kit om-knee-ah" - 'vincit' can be said as if it were English as well. And yes, musecubed, the verb doesn't have to go at the end; it frequently goes at the end of the clause, but even then in prose it doesn't have to be at the end. EDIT: pronunciation change. |
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Post by murphymurphy on Dec 1, 2008 16:51:33 GMT
Yeah, about the name. According to wikipedia (my trusted source  ), among things that translate to love conquers all is of course Amor Vincit Omnia. But also think about Victorious Cupid; that's pretty much a straight up direct translation. PRR, you are a beast! which is a compliment of course. yeah, the picture does look pretty tool-ish, not that I'm complaining or anything . However, I have to agree here that it doesn't really look like an album cover. It looks cool and all, just a little out of place with what I would think the album to sound like. Then again, I haven't heard it, so maybe it does fit well. We'll know on March 9, won't we?? I CAN'T FREAKING WAIT |
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Post by the dark fourth on Dec 1, 2008 17:35:13 GMT
I wouldn't say Victorious cupid is a translation of Amor Vincit Omnia, certainly not a direct one. But it does run along the same lines and has a Classical theme.
...which makes me think that the collumns/statues/other Classical imagery from the Dark Third artwork would not be out of place entirely in the new album...
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Post by jemi on Dec 1, 2008 21:10:38 GMT
Needs moar cherubs in the artwork tbh.
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Post by forwardrob on Dec 2, 2008 1:25:48 GMT
I wouldn't say Victorious cupid is a translation of Amor Vincit Omnia, certainly not a direct one. But it does run along the same lines and has a Classical theme. Cupid/Venus are not infrequently used as the personification of love, so Victorious Cupid is actually a fairly dynamically equivalent translation. Also, I cannot wait to see them; despite living normally in Reading, it's only now that I've moved up to Uni in Nottingham that I get to see them live. Do you think I'll learn all the new songs in 4 days? |
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Post by the dark fourth on Dec 2, 2008 10:09:48 GMT
Dynamic, perhaps. And good luck learning a PRR song in 4 days, I'm still learning things about the old songs three years on...
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Post by the dark fourth on Dec 3, 2008 14:34:30 GMT
As for artwork, is it possible that what we've been describing as Toolesque could actually be a reference to Italian renaissance master artist Caravaggio? The AVO/VC translation thing seems to work with this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amor_Vincit_Omnia_(Caravaggio)EDIT: that link doesn't seem to go to the right page (cos this forum won't include the bit in bracets) - it takes you to a disambiguation page, and then just click on the bit about Caravaggio. |
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Post by dav1d on Dec 3, 2008 22:42:03 GMT
I haven't been on this forum long but I've never heard such a load of bollocks talked about a song title .  Is being a prat a prerequisite for being a fan? |
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Post by ryan on Dec 3, 2008 23:17:55 GMT
I smiled before I'd even read the post, and it didn't disappoint.
Yeah, who'd have thought, fans of a band trying to work out what the title of an album is all about!
Please never leave dav!d, your 4 posts are my favourite.
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Post by stumoo on Dec 3, 2008 23:35:36 GMT
You don't have to be a prat to post here, but it helps!
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Post by the dark fourth on Dec 4, 2008 11:25:18 GMT
I haven't been on this forum long but I've never heard such a load of bollocks talked about a song title Which song title? I was actually talking about the album concept - it just seems to me that the new artwork seems to be vaguely reminiscent of a really famous painter who happened to have a really famous painting the titles of which include both Amor Vincit Omnia and Victorious Cupid, which as you may or may not be aware are also both titles of new PRR stuff. I think that's worth noting. It's not like PRR have never used a semi-obscure reference before or anything... |
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Post by forwardrob on Dec 4, 2008 13:55:43 GMT
dav1d: are you the sort of person Stephen Fry describes as having a "settled conviction that art, literature and the play of ideas [are nothing] more than 'wank'."?
Because if so, please never comment on these sorts of threads. They are not for people who are like that. Please, continue enjoying the music, but never claim to have insight into anything, or claim that nobody else can have it.
Victorious Cupid is equivalent to Amor Vincit Omnia, the name of a painting by Carravagio which prominently features nude limbs, as does this piece of artwork we have about the new tour. If you can't see the clear links there, then I hasten to say that you underestimate how complex artists can be.
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Post by stumoo on Dec 4, 2008 17:23:56 GMT
Exactly Rob. Or, he's being deliberately confrontational and got a rise out of you.
Anyway, back on topic. I really can't wait for the new album, it should be a good'un
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), among things that translate to love conquers all is of course Amor Vincit Omnia. But also think about Victorious Cupid; that's pretty much a straight up direct translation. PRR, you are a beast! which is a compliment of course.
