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Post by Lawrie on Dec 16, 2008 23:14:44 GMT
Great find, Stu! ;D
EDIT - ouch, but those videos really ARE low-res, aren't they! Can't wait until the full program gets broadcast/we see the songs in a high resolution...
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Post by stumoo on Dec 16, 2008 23:21:34 GMT
yeah but who mixed it? Jamie's guitar at the start of Deus nearly killed my ears (wearing headphones) and the synths were way too low. Properly mixed it sounds epic, as anyone who's been to a PRR gig in the last 18 months knows. |
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Post by Lawrie on Dec 16, 2008 23:38:36 GMT
I agree with some of that, I think. Personally, I like the level that they had Jamie's guitar at in Deus (and especially in Gloaming as well - gave some real 'meat' to the track), but I'm totally with you that the 'bleepy' synth sounds (for want of a better expression!) were too low in the mix during the opening bars of Deus, and it did sound somewhat like a plain-vanilla bass riff going on for about a minute before anything else seemed to kick in. Likewise (and even more so) for the backing vocoder track on Gloaming, towards the end of the 'vocal' part of the song where Chloe is singing solo with the vocoder in the background - the lack of volume on the backing track there made Chloe sound a little unintentionally isolated at that part of the song. However, aside from those two points (and a more minor one [IMO] that Ryan rightly raised about Chloe's mic being too loud for Borgens), I think the mixes and arrangements have been excellent from what we've heard so far. I really like what they did with the end synth section of Gloaming, with Jamie doing his e-bow guitar part over the pulsing synth riff, and then also the sampled vocal parts right at the end (which someone else didn't like - sorry, forget who): it reminded me a little of Radiohead's live version of Everything In Its Right Place with the vocals being chopped up at the end of the song, with Jamie doing the Jonny Greenwood/Ed O'Brien role there. In fact, if the vocoder backing track was at its correct volume for Gloaming, I would say that that would be easily the best version of the song I've ever heard, and I'd love the final studio version to have all the elements we saw in the Bonn performance - louder guitars from Jamie in the first part of the song; more Jamie guitar work (trying not to make this a Willcox love-in, honest!  ) over the ending synth riff, and some spliced up vocals at the end as well. Nail those 3 things and Gloaming would be utterly perfect for me!  |
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Post by flyingswordfish on Dec 16, 2008 23:47:59 GMT
Good find on the YouTube videos! Deus sounds amazing. The guitars are so heavy! One thing I noticed was that they sang the "old" lyrics at the end, as opposed to the different ones we heard in their MySpace sampler (Something about a troll-whippin' altar?).
It goes without saying, but I really hope someone gets the videos of the other new tracks up! ;D
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Post by stumoo on Dec 16, 2008 23:49:16 GMT
Yep I agree with pretty much everything you've said there, even though it was me who complained about the sampled vocals  It is great to hear Jamie playing loud and keeping it from being all synth - but I had it turned up and it was pretty sudden! The version of Gloaming from Bonn is about 1000 times better than the Water Rats bootleg and the snippet on myspazz really whets the appetite for the full studio version. |
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Post by ryan on Dec 17, 2008 0:18:53 GMT
I think these come from VHS, I saw it mentioned there some broadcast on another channel but was only caught on that medium.
Still, can't blame the bad encoding on that. Click watch in high quality and it's better, though whoever uploaded them did it in a rubbish format/encoding.
To my ears it sounds like quite a rough mix, like it's only the version off the desk with nothing else done to it. I like the beefy guitars though.
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Post by isador21 on Dec 17, 2008 3:20:08 GMT
Awesome videos! The quality is actually youtube-decent when you put them in high quality... Streaming videos used to look much worse, remember? |
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Post by jemi on Dec 17, 2008 22:09:59 GMT
Considering these are two of my favourite PRR songs, I can forgive the video quality. Great find Stu!
(I realise this is the totally wrong place to ask this, but out of curiousity, does 'He Tried To Show Them Magic' ever make it into song rotation much at lives?)
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Post by Lawrie on Dec 17, 2008 22:22:58 GMT
(I realise this is the totally wrong place to ask this, but out of curiousity, does 'He Tried To Show Them Magic' ever make it into song rotation much at lives?) Don't think it ever has, to the best of my knowledge, which is very sad as I would LOVE to hear it live too!  |
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Post by timpenumbra on Dec 18, 2008 3:51:09 GMT
Sorry to correct you Lawrie, but they played 'He Tried To Show Them Magic' mostly at headline shows in the first half of 2006, usually ending the main set with it. Not the best set-closer ever  |
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Post by Lawrie on Dec 18, 2008 8:49:50 GMT
Hey, feel free! ;D Can't believe that I've never heard that bad boy though, especially as I did a few gigs in 2006: gutted! And how could that be a poor set-closer; wash your mouth out with soap, man!  I'd love to hear a set end with a slowly fading "He showed them magic in the dark third unknown" mantra echoing through the venue as the stage lights go down... |
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Post by timpenumbra on Dec 18, 2008 13:02:32 GMT
Haha! 'Not the best' does not equal 'poor'. However, at the time it was instead of The Intention Craft (unless they did a rare encore), so I rest my case!
Seriously though, there are a couple of reasonable recordings out there (Rotherham/Hertford etc)
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Post by blondeambassador on Dec 18, 2008 13:24:29 GMT
Wow, I really do have a poor memory, I must have seen them play that live but I have absolutely no recollection of it!
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Post by Lawrie on Dec 18, 2008 15:54:40 GMT
Haha! 'Not the best' does not equal 'poor'. However, at the time it was instead of The Intention Craft (unless they did a rare encore), so I rest my case! Seriously though, there are a couple of reasonable recordings out there (Rotherham/Hertford etc) Good point with the semantics there, 1-0 Tim methinks! ;D And they played it at Hertford in 2006?  I don't have the recording, but I was AT that gig, so I don't know how my brain didn't register the fact! Which, in fact, makes you even MORE right and me even MORE of a dumbass, given that I've heard them play HTTSTM myself and still managed to spout on about them not playing it live in my earlier post! Off to syringe my ears as we speak...  ;D Wow, I really do have a poor memory, I must have seen them play that live but I have absolutely no recollection of it! Er, yeah, snap! |
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Post by ryan on Dec 18, 2008 17:35:09 GMT
hehe, I can remember it!
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) over the ending synth riff, and some spliced up vocals at the end as well. Nail those 3 things and Gloaming would be utterly perfect for me! 
I'd love to hear a set end with a slowly fading "He showed them magic in the dark third unknown" mantra echoing through the venue as the stage lights go down...
I don't have the recording, but I was AT that gig, so I don't know how my brain didn't register the fact! Which, in fact, makes you even MORE right and me even MORE of a dumbass, given that I've heard them play HTTSTM myself and still managed to spout on about them not playing it live in my earlier post! 
;D