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Post by ryan on Jan 14, 2008 23:51:53 GMT
I cannot stress enough, my Floyd/Beach Boys comment was a joke. We are all getting angsty here. Also to clarify, when I say I find harkins posts funny it's because of the beautiful phrasing, not necessarily the content. I'm not down with the name calling an' that but it is making me laugh. Also, OK Computer really isn't that good and OOS really suffers at the end  There's wrong and there's wrong and then there's this! OK Computer *is* the best album ever made, and the very end of Origin Of Symmetry (i.e. Megalomania) is a song so good that if it played football it would be called Dimitar Berbatov! You, sir, are a buffoon!  ;D Now now now, let's not be silly eh. Firstly, have you heard every album ever made Just can't get into OK Comp, never liked Radiohead 'till In Rainbows but I think that's an ace album. And I'm sticking to my OOS comment, first half far out weighs the second. But you know, opinons an' all that. Seems to be the problem here really. I'm not from the 'PRR have shit gold in the form of a CD' camp, but that's not to say I don't think it's a stonking album that get's a good number of plays. oh well. |
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Post by the dark fourth on Jan 15, 2008 13:43:01 GMT
Angsty? Moi? |
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Post by smudger on Jan 16, 2008 9:15:36 GMT
IMO...... If genius is being taken as a reflection of the excellence of PRR's first album (and it IS excellent), then surely the tag 'genius' belongs to Paul Northfield, the producer? I don't know how much of Sony's money he got paid but , to my mind, it does prove you can buy genius, especially if, like me, you had heard the band pre-Sony and despaired of it ever achieving any coherent sound whatsoever.
Now that they have developed that sound so successfully, they really ought to follow the example of many mega-successful bands, sack their manager and get somebody with a grain of business acumen who can develop their career.
You may disagree with my insightful comments, but let me ask you 2 questions: 1) Was TDT a good enough album to tour as a headline? and 2) Why wasn't it (headlined, that is)?
(The correct answers are 1) Yes 2) Because of shit management)
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Post by timpenumbra on Jan 16, 2008 10:40:13 GMT
The Sony thing...................they just never plugged the album. Seems one guy - Michael Kaplan - from Sony US heard TBAOM and loved it, leading to the signing. I think he left, and no one pushed the cd.
The album 'headline' tour (after supporting Oceansize in March 2006) consisted of 6/7 dates the last of which was a few days BEFORE the cd came out!
With Sony dropping them and the line-up changes embroiled in secrecy due to legal issues - it's been an odd time for the band. I just wish they'd get out and play live - pick up fans the traditional way, remind us all why we love this band.........
Just a few of my thoughts...................
(On another matter - Mr Cooke's other artist under his wing is/was Alison Limerick - had a hit in the 80's??)
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Post by Lawrie on Jan 16, 2008 11:48:22 GMT
IMO...... If genius is being taken as a reflection of the excellence of PRR's first album (and it IS excellent), then surely the tag 'genius' belongs to Paul Northfield, the producer? I don't know how much of Sony's money he got paid but , to my mind, it does prove you can buy genius, especially if, like me, you had heard the band pre-Sony and despaired of it ever achieving any coherent sound whatsoever. Now that they have developed that sound so successfully, they really ought to follow the example of many mega-successful bands, sack their manager and get somebody with a grain of business acumen who can develop their career. You may disagree with my insightful comments, but let me ask you 2 questions: 1) Was TDT a good enough album to tour as a headline? and 2) Why wasn't it (headlined, that is)? (The correct answers are 1) Yes 2) Because of shit management) Can't really argue with the opinion that the band haven't been handled as well as possible by people who could really maximise PRR's exposure to the world, that's a fair point and one that I agree with. And yes, Paul Northfield's production on The Dark Third is indeed excellent and one of its strongest points (though I'd guess that Jon had a big hand in the production sound as well, given his well documented attention to detail with the little backround noises in PRR's music). Bit of a pedantic point coming up now though: wasn't Apprentice Of The Universe (Nimos & Tambos on the B-side) the only early non-Sony release as Pure Reason Revolution? I have the first two PRR singles and AOTU was released on Poptones while TBAOM was released on Sony BMG (Holograph). Presumably anything before Apprentice was made by The Sunset Sound, and not PRR? Only say that because AOTU and N&T on The Dark Third don't differ *hugely* from the early Poptones releases - and I imagine a large part of the reason for re-recording them for The Dark Third was the fact they were already available on Poptones? While they did get touched up a bit for The Dark Third, surely they can't be so different that you 'despaired' for the band on hearing the early Poptones versions? Was it hearing work by The Sunset Sound that made you worry for the band pre-Sony, or was it the Poptones PRR release that made you worry? No offence intended in any of that, just curious to know, since I don't think that there was a quantum leap in sound made between the transition from Poptones to Sony.  |
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Post by harkins1 on Jan 16, 2008 13:47:48 GMT
this board is full of children. spreading their inane mouth-farts, with nothing but a passing whimsy for forethought or intellectual discussion. smudger - read your post back. does it smell any better to you than it does to me? you're blowing round something there, go drop the proverbial kids off at the pool.
i have retired now.
it is official.
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Post by blondeambassador on Jan 16, 2008 14:09:36 GMT
A post like that and you have the audacity to call the other people on the board children...?!
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Post by the dark fourth on Jan 16, 2008 14:51:07 GMT
And a nice typically constructive comment from Harkins there to finish his career on the board. Round of applause everyone? *claps politely*
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Post by ryan on Jan 16, 2008 17:33:53 GMT
i have retired now. it is official. But you make me laugh  I think the problem is (am I'm well guilty too) speculation. There seems to be a few of us that know bits and pieces but no one knows it all, and things get confused, guess work taken as fact etc. |
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Post by smudger on Jan 17, 2008 8:26:28 GMT
Farewell Harko, the board will be much the poorer for your absence.
Possibly the problem is that Harkins knows TOO much, being the band's original Superfan. Maybe the present situation just pisses him off
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Post by smudger on Jan 17, 2008 9:50:53 GMT
...I think I'm going to follow Harkos lead and make like a tree also...
Maybe I'll see you all again IF PRR ever release a record/play live again.
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Post by Lawrie on Jan 17, 2008 11:06:21 GMT
God, this place is emptying faster a chocolate box at a Weightwatchers convention! No need to flee the nest for good, chaps and chapesses, I'm confident we'll all be listening to PRR Mk II some time this spring. Well, not confident so much as hopeful, but you get the general idea! |
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Post by ryan on Jan 17, 2008 12:12:27 GMT
Makes me laugh, you can't 'leave' a messageboard. It's the flipping internet. Best you can do is stop posting!
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Post by sticky on Jan 17, 2008 13:17:35 GMT
right....
I will happily put money out that this album will not see the light of day.
1 - Jon is normally DJing some electro gubbins and is more interested in that than PRR
2 - Paul is playing in 5000 other bands
3 - Jonathan doesn't know his arsehole from his elbow and this is all his fault
4 - PRR will NEVER sack Jonathan. because he's cheap.
5 - as for Jim - good riddance.
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Post by sarahm on Jan 17, 2008 15:01:20 GMT
right.... I will happily put money out that this album will not see the light of day. 1 - Jon is normally DJing some electro gubbins and is more interested in that than PRR 2 - Paul is playing in 5000 other bands 3 - Jonathan doesn't know his arsehole from his elbow and this is all his fault 4 - PRR will NEVER sack Jonathan. because he's cheap. 5 - as for Jim - good riddance. 6. Chloe also seems to be in another band 7. Jamie has given up updating fans which means he may be too BUT... why get involved with inside out/porcupine if there is no plan to release another record? I still think there will be another record, but with a brand new electro sound (deus ex macchina was testing this water) which will be cheaper to produce. Not sure how it will affect their live performance though...Basically, i see no reason why another album isnt doable!  |
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