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Post by ryan on Dec 10, 2008 19:28:04 GMT
Can you honestly believe we'll be talking about a 'well known' modern band like Muse (oh dear) in another twenty years?... Not Muse specifically but yes, absolutely. I'm a big film fan too, I'll watch anything with Tim Robbins or Nicolas Cage in. Second bit contradicts the first. |
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Post by Lawrie on Dec 10, 2008 20:11:49 GMT
Evening everyone, how you doing?! Good... I'm David, I live in South Lincolnshire (No, thats not near London!) I'm 26, and I work for Travelodge...(Someone has too!) I see all these big university courses on here! But fraid all I can manage is a BTEC Nat diploma in Media Productions, done at Boston College. Hopefully going to be working for Network Rail early next year. My Dad introduced me to Rush/Marillion/Yes/Genesis and Metallica.... yes... Read about PRR in Classic Rock magazine afew years ago so went along to the Unsigned Rock gig in Tufnell Park and I was hooked! So much that I made a trip to Berlin to see them! Someone above me mentioned that they couldn't listen to old school prog like Rush/Genesis etc because modern music is better... oh dear, how wrong is that?! There are so many bands going around saying their so great just because they've got 800 myspace fans! Can you honestly believe we'll be talking about a 'well known' modern band like Muse (oh dear) in another twenty years?... I love going to gigs, Suppose thats not a suprise on this site! My first gig was the Spice Girls...yep...then my second was Black Sabbath... I'm a big film fan too, I'll watch anything with Tim Robbins or Nicolas Cage in. I'm a big footy fan too, I'm an Evertonian, (I believe we beat Tottenham afew weeks ago..) Went to the game against Villa last weekend, try to go to as many games as possible but its a heck of a treck across the pennines! I play the drums badly, had about a year of lessons but he left so trying to teach myself, buts thats not easy! Got a small Mapex Mars Series. See you guys on PRR's tour next year! Nice one David.  Without wishing to make the same jokes as Ryan (but having no alternative to do so!  ), can I just say that you're horrifically wrong about the longevity/cultural value of Muse (who are certainly one of the best bands of their generation, and IMO deserve as great a legacy as bands of the calibre of any of the ones you mention); even more wrong about what constitutes a good film (I mean, anything not starring Choi Min-sik and a claw hammer should be treated with caution, but Nick Cage and Tim Robbins?! NOOOOOO!); and finally, to add one of my own, definitely incorrect in your choice of football team (yeah, so you might've done us on our own turf AGAIN [after years and years of the reverse of that], but... er, I can't think of a clever retort: come on, nekroman, let's gang up on him! ).  |
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Post by ryan on Dec 10, 2008 20:15:59 GMT
we're are an awesome welcome team.
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Post by david on Dec 10, 2008 20:36:35 GMT
Just because I've named actors who are 'mainstream' doesn't make them bad! You Indie kids make me laugh! You like a band until they become popular then you drop them! You change your bands, favourite films, TV programmes more than your socks.
Muse are an OK band, but they're just a pop band really.
People still talk about Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden etc now, theres not one band from our generation that so many people will have heard about or talk about, or even listen too!
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Post by Lawrie on Dec 10, 2008 21:13:41 GMT
Don't want to derail the thread, but it's not the fact that Cage and Robbins are 'mainstream' that makes them bad, it's the fact that I most associate them with some STINKY films: Robbins with Shawshank (which I HATE, even if I'm the only person in the universe who thinks it's sentimental claptrap), and Cage with, well, just about everything he's done (most especially the remake of The Wicker Man and Captain Correlli's Mandolin) bar Con Air and Face Off, both of which are great popcorn movies. I'm sure I'm probably missing out some gem that they've slipped under my nose, but I don't like them cos I think they're bad, not because they are 'mainstream': in fact, my favourite actor is Bruce Willis (even despite his being in his fair share of stinkers), but that's for another thread... And there's nothing wrong with being a pop band (which kinda runs against your 'mainstream can be good' argument with the actors?) if you do it well. Not that I consider Muse a 'pop' band: they certainly have written some great pop songs (Plug In Baby, Supermassive Black Hole etc) which is all-good-and-shiny in its own right, but they've also written bona fide 'offbeat' songs like Space Dementia and Citizen Erased which are the art-rock equals of just about any 'worthy' band in history. Genuine modern day legends IMO - the difference is that the public as a whole just isn't interested in non-throwaway pop like it used to be in the heyday of Led Zep and Pink Floyd. It's not that we don't have bands of that calibre any more, it's just that they don't move the same kind of units that such bands did in the 70s and before. But we're getting way too serious here: we should really be discussing whether Fellaini's hairstyle is more ridiculous than Aaron Lennon's stupid shaved eyebrow... |
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Post by david on Dec 10, 2008 21:22:26 GMT
Jeez, we we're sat on the back row and we could reach out and ruffle his fluff ball! Then again, he is a good header of the ball...hhmmm maybe it helps?!
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Post by Lawrie on Dec 10, 2008 21:27:23 GMT
My brother loves him, despite having no particular feelings for either EFC or Belgium... though his favourite player of the 90s was Carlos Valderrama, so make of that what you will... ;D
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Post by ryan on Dec 10, 2008 21:50:02 GMT
Ah, Lawrie got there first! But yeah what he said. It's nothing to do with being 'indie', who gives a shit how many people like what. My favourite film this year was Wall-E. You just like actors that can't act very well |
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Post by isador21 on Dec 10, 2008 22:01:57 GMT
My favourite film this year was Wall-E. |
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Post by david on Dec 10, 2008 22:04:35 GMT
Did NME magazine tell you to like that film?...
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Post by the dark fourth on Dec 10, 2008 22:13:16 GMT
Someone above me mentioned that they couldn't listen to old school prog like Rush/Genesis etc because modern music is better... oh dear, how wrong is that?! There are so many bands going around saying their so great just because they've got 800 myspace fans! Can you honestly believe we'll be talking about a 'well known' modern band like Muse (oh dear) in another twenty years?... Hehe, this made me laugh. Will we be talking about Muse in the same way 'everyone's' still talking about Marillion? The irony is killing me. Not that I want to defend Muse in any way...HUGELY overrated band. In fact, I expect Muse WILL have a fan base roughly similar to Yes's today - a tiny hardcore group of ever dwindling (and ageing) obsessives. And not that I want to defy anyone's taste if they're a PRR fan! A hearty welcome to anybody that embraces the Revolution! |
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Post by the dark fourth on Dec 10, 2008 22:14:35 GMT
And you can't critizise people for being too snobbish and then critizise them for reading NME!!!! The irony really can't get any worse!
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Post by ryan on Dec 10, 2008 22:15:08 GMT
What?! What does that even mean?! There's no point qualifying my opinion for you, you've clearly already written me off as some hipster/indie kid. But you basically couldn't be further from the truth. My favourite film this year was Wall-E. Have you seen it? Have you seen anything better? EDIT: Sorry, I'm assuming you used the smiley as a 'what the fuck' kind of thing, I suppose it could have been just a smile. I love Pixar so much, I almost wrote my dissertation about them. No other major studio would have made a film like that. They had to develop it in secret, because there's no way Disney would have green-lit it based on the treatment. |
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Post by david on Dec 10, 2008 22:44:51 GMT
Ryan- I have given my opinion of you. I'm not saying I know what your likes are.
Indie kids were loving the Darkness before they got famous then soon dropped them. The Killers got ditched because they didnt stand up at a music awards show for that Radio 2 dude who died.
Marillion have never been a big band, they have their hardcore fans, and they will stay with them until the end. (Which has been many years) Muser will lose their way because most of their fans will ditch them if they become too popular
Can't continue at the moment, got to go to work!
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Post by ryan on Dec 10, 2008 23:00:59 GMT
I have no idea where you're coming from on all of this.
Muse have become popular, they sold out two nights at Wembley Stadium. You could make the fairly convincing argument that they are the most popular British rock band going. They've never exactly written avant garde masterpieces!
I have all four albums, and both live albums. Hell, I got into them because when I was a teenager I was under the misguided view that Chris Moyles was funny and he used to play Time Is Running out a lot. I can hardly be accused of ditching a band because they've got fans!
Who seriously even does that anyway, it's the most ridiculus thing. I'll stop liking Muse when they start making albums full of songs I don't like (as it is, there a few on all the albums I think are guff). I'll stop going to see them when they stop playing the songs I do like.
Wouldn't know about The Darkness really, but The Killers seem be doing ok amongst the 'cool' kids after what was an apparently patchy second album.
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), can I just say that you're horrifically wrong about the longevity/cultural value of Muse (who are certainly one of the best bands of their generation, and IMO deserve as great a legacy as bands of the calibre of any of the ones you mention); even more wrong about what constitutes a good film (I mean, anything not starring Choi Min-sik and a claw hammer should be treated with caution, but Nick Cage and Tim Robbins?! NOOOOOO!); and finally, to add one of my own, definitely incorrect in your choice of football team (yeah, so you might've done us on our own turf AGAIN [after years and years of the reverse of that], but... er, I can't think of a clever retort: come on, nekroman, let's gang up on him! 
