who are you?

[blondeambassador]

Oh my, the fact this conversation is even happening depresses me...

Why can't people just like the bands they like without having to be categorised? So you prefer older bands David fine, but I don't see the need to lay into other peoples tastes that you don't agree with and seemingly look down on them just because they like perfectly respectable contemporary bands.
Anyway... I don't think anyone on this forum can really be accused of being a true NME kid anyway....it's a PRR forum, they're not exactly front cover fodder right now are they!?

[the dark fourth]

Well, they've been pretty prominent in ORG magazines...

[david]

Ok, firstly I never catergorise people into groups. That rant about NME magazine wasn't aimed at Ryan, it was just because he was arguing against my point.

I never said Marillion are a big band, it's just their fans have been with them from the beginning and have been there through all the good times and all the crap. My point was Muse and so many modern bands have been ditched by their fans for becoming 'popular' and it annoys the crap out of me.

I hope you understand that this is a forum and that we're allowed to argue..

[blondeambassador]

Dec 11, 2008 13:29:50 GMT @david said:

I never said Marillion are a big band, it's just their fans have been with them from the beginning and have been there through all the good times and all the crap. My point was Muse and so many modern bands have been ditched by their fans for becoming 'popular' and it annoys the crap out of me.

I hope you understand that this is a forum and that we're allowed to argue..

Course we are. I guess I just don't think people are quite fickle as you're making out they are, I mean I'm sure there are one or two but I think it's quite rare...certainly amongst the people around these here parts anyway, maybe not so much in the nearest playground.
And I think Muse are a terrible example because like others have said, I really do think they will leave a legacy and will be one of the very few contemporary bands to be remembered. And I didn't even like them until I was forced to see them live through work but that forced me to realise quite what it is everyone goes on about. I think the music culture has changed however, music is so much more widespread and varied, it's not about whats popular anymore because if you don't like whats playing on radio one, you can go find something you do like using the internet. I think we already had this conversation in another thread somewhere.

However, if you were talking about say...The Ting Tings, I might quite understand your point

[pagad]

Hello everybody!

Found this place courtesy of Wikipedia's external links, and I'm tired of talking about PRR to people who've never heard of them.

I had the pleasure and honour of actually meeting PRR way back in ye olde days of 2005. Myself and a group of friends were seeing them at a smallish club in Milton Keynes (I hadn't heard of PRR, I was just tagging along with a few of my friends who were massive fans) but we weren't allowed in because none of us were 18. The band heard about this, tried in vain to get the club to let us in, and then just decided to chat with us a bit and give us signed posters! ;D Fantastic band and lovely people, too.

Probably an appropriate time to post in here, as I'm also a massive Muse fan. Muse haven't been ditched by their fans. Yeah, a few people whine about Origin of Symmetry being the best album they've done (it isn't), but Muse are one of those bands that have a particularly fanatical core fanbase at the heart of the much bigger one they've acquired as a result of becoming massively popular.

[Lawrie]

Hi pagad, and welcome to the forums!

Was the MK gig at City Limits (in the Xcape)? If so, I was at that gig (one of the very first ones I went to); there must've been all of about 20 people in the crowd, was one of the most surreal gigs I've ever been to!

Also, just have to say that you're wrong about Muse: OoS definitely IS their best album! But yeah, they're a class band and every single one of their albums is at least good and at best utter genius! ;D

[pagad]

'Twas indeed that gig! ;D

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on Origin

[ryan]

Have you posted about that elsewhere? I'm sure I've read it before...

And yeah, Origin can't be their best album by virtue of the fact it seriously tails off after Citizen Erased.

[pagad]

Dec 11, 2008 18:09:36 GMT ryan said:

And yeah, Origin can't be their best album by virtue of the fact it seriously tails off after Citizen Erased.

This is the argument I have been trying to use for years ;D

Unless you and I are members of a different board where I might have been talking about PRR, no This is the first time I've been here.

I should probably post some stuff about myself as that's kinda the purpose of this thread, I guess.

I'm a 19 year old student studying an English Lit/History dual degree at Sheffield university, and loving it so far. Music taste veers towards proggy and alternative rock. Few of my favourite bands: PRR (obviously), Muse (as mentioned above), Oceansize, Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Mew, Radiohead, Queens of the Stone Age, The Mars Volta, Rage Against the Machine and Dream Theater. That should give a reasonable indicator of my taste.

[ryan]

Fair 'nuff, I think there was maybe a similar story from someone then... hmm.

[forwardrob]

Dec 11, 2008 18:33:00 GMT pagad said:

Dec 11, 2008 18:09:36 GMT ryan said:

And yeah, Origin can't be their best album by virtue of the fact it seriously tails off after Citizen Erased.

This is the argument I have been trying to use for years ;D

I'm a 19 year old student studying an English Lit/History dual degree at Sheffield university, and loving it so far. Music taste veers towards proggy and alternative rock. Few of my favourite bands: PRR (obviously), Muse (as mentioned above), Oceansize, Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Mew, Radiohead, Queens of the Stone Age, The Mars Volta, Rage Against the Machine and Dream Theater. That should give a reasonable indicator of my taste.

Apart from Dream Theater (so near; and yet so, so far) that's an astounding selection right there. Welcome!

Also, on OoS - up to Citizen Erased is possibly my favourite opening to any album ever, but I don't really listen to the rest of it. And is it just me that loves all of the albums except Showbiz (Muscle Museum and Sunburn yes, everything else no way)?

[the dark fourth]

I find Muse entirely impossible/boring to listen to after you've heard the songs more than five or six times. But yes back in the day when I did used to listen to them I thought Showbiz was the only not very exciting album, and thought the most recent two were the best.

[pagad]

Apart from Dream Theater (so near; and yet so, so far)

It's fair enough. I have to be in a certain mood to listen to them, and a lot of their songs are downright irritating. They put on one HELL of a live show, though.

And is it just me that loves all of the albums except Showbiz (Muscle Museum and Sunburn yes, everything else no way)?

Showbiz's title track is stunning, but otherwise I mostly agree with you. Although most of the Showbiz tracks are much better live.

[Lawrie]

Bah humbug, I'll fight a bitter Muse crusade by myself then!

The objective, indisputable facts that you all seem to be getting wrong are:

1) OoS is their best album, and not just up to Citizen Erased: the second half of the album is equally as good as the first (in fact, my least favourite track is Hyper Music, which is a first-half boy) - Screenager, Microcuts, Darkshines and Megalomania are all absolute class, with only Feeling Good letting the side down a tad.

2) Showbiz probably is their worst album, but that's a relative term and it's still no less than 'good' on an absolute scale. Yep, there are one or two duds on the album (I'm looking at you in particular, Falling Down!), but these are outweighed by a number of decent songs and a couple of gems thrown into the mix. The actual song Showbiz remains my favourite individual Muse song released to date, and would certainly make my Top 10 songs by any band.

So yeah, the moral of the story is I'm right, you're wrong: na na na naaah na!

[warrensutherland]

Someone above me mentioned that they couldn't listen to old school prog like Rush/Genesis etc because modern music is better... oh dear, how wrong is that?! There are so many bands going around saying their so great just because they've got 800 myspace fans!

Can you honestly believe we'll be talking about a 'well known' modern band like Muse (oh dear) in another twenty years?...

Hmm...I do'n actualy care for Muse either. I'm not sure where you are coming from with this. I have been to a lot of gigs and listenened to a lot of music over the years and what I said was my opinion. I would never encourage ANYONE from listening to Yes/Genesis/Rush/Blue Oyster Cult or any other band for that matter (exactly the opposite in fact) because it is what I have grown up with. What I was saying was that I find it difficult to go back to listening to say "Starship Trooper" or "Suppers Ready" because the modern breed of proggers have soaked up the history and moved the game so far forward. Porcupine Tree/PRR/Iluvatar to name a few. The fact that someone in their late 30's can get excited by new music such as this instead of turning around and saying all the old stuff was better is surely a good thing?
To illustrate I believe that Jon is a fan of Pink Floyd but I would go so far to say (and I know this is going to be controversial) that The Dark Third is a better album than ANY by PF (and I was a big fan of The Wall/Wish You Were Here but NEVER a fan of Dark Side of the Moon)