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Post by ryan on Jun 30, 2008 23:08:17 GMT
it isn't stealing; it is viral advertising. nobody is taking the bread out of PRR's mouths, as already explained in this thread as nearfest owns the rights . All 1000 copies will be sold. SHARING WILL THEREFORE ONLY BENEFIT THE BAND i love this argument. you don't browse the pirate bay, i'm unlikely to just come across it there. face facts, you don't wanna pay for CDs. it's fine, i download shit loads as well i'm not gunna lie, but I buy whats good where possible. does that make it better? no, not really I suppose but there you go. this argument is full of utter arse gravy. also, i buy cds without having heard anything all the time. and neckroman is my favourite poster by a long way. genuine laughs, whether we agree or not. anyway, mine arrived. how did it get here so fast?! not listened yet though. any chance of a bigger version of the cover art for my ipod as well? |
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Post by chutch15 on Jul 1, 2008 1:01:03 GMT
Glad you folks are starting to receive the CDs. I did my best to get the first few batches of orders out the door, but it's tough to keep up! How's this for your iPod? www.nearfestrecords.com/art/PRR_cover.jpg |
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Post by eljobo on Jul 1, 2008 1:15:27 GMT
Right...basically, everything Lawrie has been spot on about the forum standpoint on this issue but just to clarify. We DO NOT support the sharing of released PRR music on this forum, we DO NOT allow people to share the links for these things on this site, private message or otherwise. Sorry if you don't like it and sorry if it doesn't match your views on music sharing but that's not our problem. There are plenty of live torrents that haven't been released for you to download free of charge on here but if you want that one, you're going to have to pay for it, just as you will when album number 2 surfaces. These rules are made quite clear in the bootlegs part of the forum. As Lawrie said, we have the support of the band in return for our support and we would very much like to keep it that way, as I'm sure all of you will too. Yes, we understand that the policy of this board is not to share music of the band (which is kind of silly in the case of someone who already has a copy bought and payed for, but whatever. The Mars Volta forum is the same way). However, when it comes to all of you people up on your high horses saying that you buy CDs before hearing a note. Well guess what, I'm not that way, and neither are most other rationally thinking consumers. Obviously buying a CD of a band you already love doesn't count and neither does a recommendation of a friend who has similar taste in music (who, by the way has to hear the music in the first place anyway). And don't compare music to movies. They're much different art forms. A movie usually (or at least more than music) loses its value after the first few (if not the first) viewing. Music can grow on you and most people will spend more time listening to their favorite music than watching their favorite music anyway. Most of the money that people spend on CDs goes to record label execs, promoters, lawyers fees for the RIAA (yes, indie bands are the exception), and a tiny portion to the band. The actual fucking artists responsible for the music. If you want to support a band these days, go to a concert or buy a T-shirt. That money goes to the band (provided they don't have one of those 360 deals/ripoffs with a major label). Touring succes determines a bands longevity not CD sales. Does any one think Soulja Boy has a more stable career than PRR, just because he has sold way more albums and singles? As for the tracks on Myspace, They often dont cover a bands discography, are only one or two songs from each album (if not just the single and a few (future singles) from the latest one). I wan't to hear the whole album so i know I'm not being dupped. Unfortunately there is no good place to buy just the tracks I want if I don't like all of them. iTunes and others are too expensive since they roughly equal the price of a physical album. Prices for online albums should be way down since overall music production costs have gone way down since the 70's and distribution and duplication online cost's close to zero. And if I buy From iTunes the money is mostly still NOT going to the artist and comes DRMed to fuck with me. Here's a more eloquent version of what I'm trying to say: lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2008/06/23/measuring-sticks/And, no you don't browse the pirate bay, but you can hear of a band by word of mouth, Saturday night live/ other late night shows, Last.fm or whatever, and then the Piratebay lets you check out the whole thing, because its all available there to "sample". And thats just the point most music fans (actual music fans, not top 40) are like ryan: they buy what they like, so how are they to know before they hear it? |
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Post by hyperborean on Jul 1, 2008 4:25:18 GMT
Congratulations PRR fans!
"I've got a feeling, a feeling deep inside
Oh yeah, Oh yeah. (that's right.)
I've got a feeling, a feeling I can't hide
Oh no. no. Oh no! Oh no.
Yeah! Yeah! I've got a feeling."
Those of who who got your Nearfest Live album in the mail are sure to feel the same excitement I'm feeling. I thought it wouldn't be coming for at least another week, because I thought it was being shipped from England. It's here - on the same day I got my new (used) car - oh yeah! - this is a day to remember! (Toyota Corolla, good on gas, really really comfortable too!)
...what am I doing sitting here typing? I should be listening to it right now... Well - it was worth the wait at any rate. WORTH THE WAIT.
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Post by isador21 on Jul 1, 2008 6:12:49 GMT
Fuck, and I still don't have it ... My dad works at the post office tho, and he should be back in less than an hour, possibly with the said CD ... Or maybe I was in the second batch  All that because I wasn't refreshing the NearfestRecords page the day it came out as much as I was the day before Come to me, you sweet little thing ! |
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Post by Lawrie on Jul 1, 2008 6:38:45 GMT
Right...basically, everything Lawrie has been spot on about the forum standpoint on this issue but just to clarify. We DO NOT support the sharing of released PRR music on this forum, we DO NOT allow people to share the links for these things on this site, private message or otherwise. Sorry if you don't like it and sorry if it doesn't match your views on music sharing but that's not our problem. There are plenty of live torrents that haven't been released for you to download free of charge on here but if you want that one, you're going to have to pay for it, just as you will when album number 2 surfaces. These rules are made quite clear in the bootlegs part of the forum. As Lawrie said, we have the support of the band in return for our support and we would very much like to keep it that way, as I'm sure all of you will too. Yes, we understand that the policy of this board is not to share music of the band (which is kind of silly in the case of someone who already has a copy bought and payed for, but whatever. The Mars Volta forum is the same way). However, when it comes to all of you people up on your high horses saying that you buy CDs before hearing a note. Well guess what, I'm not that way, and neither are most other rationally thinking consumers. Obviously buying a CD of a band you already love doesn't count and neither does a recommendation of a friend who has similar taste in music (who, by the way has to hear the music in the first place anyway). And don't compare music to movies. They're much different art forms. A movie usually (or at least more than music) loses its value after the first few (if not the first) viewing. Music can grow on you and most people will spend more time listening to their favorite music than watching their favorite music anyway. Most of the money that people spend on CDs goes to record label execs, promoters, lawyers fees for the RIAA (yes, indie bands are the exception), and a tiny portion to the band. The actual fucking artists responsible for the music. If you want to support a band these days, go to a concert or buy a T-shirt. That money goes to the band (provided they don't have one of those 360 deals/ripoffs with a major label). Touring succes determines a bands longevity not CD sales. Does any one think Soulja Boy has a more stable career than PRR, just because he has sold way more albums and singles? As for the tracks on Myspace, They often dont cover a bands discography, are only one or two songs from each album (if not just the single and a few (future singles) from the latest one). I wan't to hear the whole album so i know I'm not being dupped. Unfortunately there is no good place to buy just the tracks I want if I don't like all of them. iTunes and others are too expensive since they roughly equal the price of a physical album. Prices for online albums should be way down since overall music production costs have gone way down since the 70's and distribution and duplication online cost's close to zero. And if I buy From iTunes the money is mostly still NOT going to the artist and comes DRMed to fuck with me. Here's a more eloquent version of what I'm trying to say: lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2008/06/23/measuring-sticks/And, no you don't browse the pirate bay, but you can hear of a band by word of mouth, Saturday night live/ other late night shows, Last.fm or whatever, and then the Piratebay lets you check out the whole thing, because its all available there to "sample". And thats just the point most music fans (actual music fans, not top 40) are like ryan: they buy what they like, so how are they to know before they hear it? Well, it's a long post and I haven't got time to reply to every single little point in it (though if you really wanted me to, let me know and I'll set aside half a day somewhere to do so), but suffice it to say I fundamentally disagree with a large majority of what you wrote just there. You think I'm up on a high horse, I think you're a tightass apologist - c'est la vie.  |
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Post by hyperborean on Jul 1, 2008 7:20:37 GMT
...I'll say it again: IT'S WORTH THE WAIT.
Also - as far as, "I'm not that way, and neither are most other rationally thinking consumers." goes: you're not consuming something unless you exchange something for it. Some sort of energy. Downloading it on the web takes an extremely mediocre amount of energy compared to working, waiting, and wanting something so bad you can almost see yourself with it but nevertheless you will distance yourself from it as long as it takes to get it to you in the traditional route. All of that takes some form of commitment or allegiance to the product in question, whereas downloading only takes a few seconds. ...I'm convinced that the exchange of both time and money, for this CD for instance, is worth far more to both the band and the consumer than the unequal exchange of the bands' time making the product and the so-called consumer's time downloading it for free on the internet.
Anyway - it's great. I know not everybody can afford it, but it's great. And by the time it's sold out - it'll probably be available by alternative means, inevitably. Oh well - c'est la vi.
...ah that's all for this drunken rambling... time for sleep.
(...or... time for more drink, that wine has had an enchanting effect on me...)
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Post by eljobo on Jul 1, 2008 8:13:36 GMT
...I'll say it again: IT'S WORTH THE WAIT. Also - as far as, "I'm not that way, and neither are most other rationally thinking consumers." goes: you're not consuming something unless you exchange something for it. Some sort of energy. Downloading it on the web takes an extremely mediocre amount of energy compared to working, waiting, and wanting something so bad you can almost see yourself with it but nevertheless you will distance yourself from it as long as it takes to get it to you in the traditional route. All of that takes some form of commitment or allegiance to the product in question, whereas downloading only takes a few seconds. ...I'm convinced that the exchange of both time and money, for this CD for instance, is worth far more to both the band and the consumer than the unequal exchange of the bands' time making the product and the so-called consumer's time downloading it for free on the internet. Anyway - it's great. I know not everybody can afford it, but it's great. And by the time it's sold out - it'll probably be available by alternative means, inevitably. Oh well - c'est la vi. ...ah that's all for this drunken rambling... time for sleep. (...or... time for more drink, that wine has had an enchanting effect on me...) I'm not saying it takes more effort. It obviously doesn't and buying the album and so on DOES help the band. I'm just saying downloading before you buy is a good idea. You might not like everything out there And, Lawrie, I'm sorry you feel that way I guess I'll give up. All that aside, how does Trembling Willows sound? |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 1, 2008 8:43:58 GMT
but in all honesty, you're posting on a FAN forum. surely if you're a FAN, you'd buy the record without feeling the need to steal it as well?
I can't remember who said they were stood in the corner listening to their ipod at thier 'prom', but I just have to say that man, you are SUCH an individual. non conformists R lyk the c00lest. lolz. FTW. ROFL. OMG!!!111!
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Post by baldyslaphead on Jul 1, 2008 9:22:35 GMT
Finally ordered mine last night. If I believed in God, I'd be praising him for the current exchange rate.
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Post by blondeambassador on Jul 1, 2008 10:28:45 GMT
Argh, I've been royally underpaid this week and looks like I'm not going to get my wages for a fortnight, so no joy for me at the minute, and I go away for a month on Friday...this is when my managers don't quite realise 'sorry for the inconvenience' doesn't quite cut it!
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Post by the dark fourth on Jul 1, 2008 11:34:18 GMT
"However, when it comes to all of you people up on your high horses saying that you buy CDs before hearing a note. Well guess what, I'm not that way, and neither are most other rationally thinking consumers. "
This attitude is very detrimental to music as a whole. I feel very strongly that music should not be treated as just another "consumer" product, where you weigh up pros and cons to get your best value for money. Music should be appreciated as art. You don't go into an art gallery and select from a bunch of thumbnails which pictures you'd like to see. You go in and look at all of them. Some you won't like, of course, but it's still part of the appreciation. I think buying music that you've already heard most of to "make sure" you know you like it is just plain wrong, and it's all part of the same attitude that leads to rubbish being so popular and really good bands being unable to find their next meal.
In other news, may I just reiterate how good this live album is. It seems to have been a really creative and imanginative show they put on that day - so much so that it leads me to wonder just how much digital manipulation there's been....but there are these cool new samples and stuff. At the beginning of Aeropause they have some recorded dialogue...from some movie or something: sadly I don't get the reference.
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Post by ryan on Jul 1, 2008 11:58:47 GMT
Glad you folks are starting to receive the CDs. I did my best to get the first few batches of orders out the door, but it's tough to keep up! How's this for your iPod? www.nearfestrecords.com/art/PRR_cover.jpg was impressed it got over the pond so fast! and beautiful, thankyou |
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Post by chutch15 on Jul 1, 2008 15:01:55 GMT
"It seems to have been a really creative and imanginative show they put on that day - so much so that it leads me to wonder just how much digital manipulation there's been Honestly, I don't think very much. I think because they had access to 36 channels to multi-track audio that they could be mixed properly for the live CD release. Live sound for a rock band will always have muddy moments, but when you have the ability to surgically adjust levels after-the-fact, you can make the performance sound pristine. The show was recorded directly to ProTools, btw, from a very high-end concert sound system. |
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Post by ryan on Jul 1, 2008 16:18:31 GMT
Golden Disco sounds like it has a quick fade-up on it to me, pretty sure something was done there. sounds good though, nice work all |
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