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Post by hyperborean on Jul 3, 2008 17:39:43 GMT
Just received  Words can't describe how much my PRR fandom is satisfied by that album ... Right. Right, that's just what I was getting at in my other thread, "Jon, Paul, Chloe, and Jamie" - the extra appreciated sense of fandom as of late. |
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Post by isador21 on Jul 3, 2008 18:49:49 GMT
Well, when you over-listen to the only 1 album of a band that you really respect, it's bound to turn weird ... Just look at my last.fm charts  Pure Reason Revolution is sitting right under Porcupine Tree... Pure Reason Revolution = 1 album Porcupine Tree = ... huh ... 14 albums from the top of my head ... in fact, many more ... |
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Post by Lawrie on Jul 4, 2008 8:03:11 GMT
See the band have put another track from the Live album up on their Myspace: it's Voices In Winter, nice one!  Can any of you guys who have the Live album tell me if the artwork for VIW (on the Myspace player) is part of the artwork for the Live album's CD? Just never seen it before. Ta! (Oh, and the band have put a couple of new photos up on their Myspace too, very cool.) |
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Post by hyperborean on Jul 4, 2008 10:48:27 GMT
Yeah the artwork on their Myspace is in the behind-the-cd inside cover. I like the new Myspace design.
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Post by chutch15 on Jul 5, 2008 14:41:44 GMT
Can any of you guys who have the Live album tell me if the artwork for VIW (on the Myspace player) is part of the artwork for the Live album's CD? Just never seen it before. Yeah, it's the NEARfest 2007 logo in grayscale given the treatment of the light beams like many of the previous PRR releases. They are blue and red in this case to go with the colors in the cover photograph. |
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Post by timpenumbra on Jul 5, 2008 15:03:43 GMT
Just wanted to say a big 'thanks' to chutch15 and the Nearfest team - they've really done an excellent job on the cd!
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Post by isador21 on Jul 5, 2008 18:19:02 GMT
Just wanted to say a big 'thanks' to chutch15 and the Nearfest team - they've really done an excellent job on the cd! Seconded. |
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Post by ripley on Jul 8, 2008 3:14:17 GMT
Just wanted to say a big 'thanks' to chutch15 and the Nearfest team - they've really done an excellent job on the cd! I so agree! Thanx all of you! It's a fantastic album! Well worth waiting for. |
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Post by chutch15 on Jul 10, 2008 13:16:28 GMT
You are very welcome. I'm a big fan of the band as well, so this was a lot of fun to put out. I'm glad to hear you are all enjoying it.
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Post by drgoon on Jul 12, 2008 3:53:30 GMT
Just wanted to say a big 'thanks' to chutch15 and the Nearfest team - they've really done an excellent job on the cd! They do an excellent job all round. The NEARfest gig was brilliant - PRR were a big part of why I went up to the box office at WTF o'clock in the morning to make sure I got tickets, and I had such a fab time at my first NEARfest that I did the same thing for this year's festival. Which also meant that I got to buy the PRR live CD on the day they unboxed it. Which was nice. However, yes, its a really good recording - obviously it was done multitrack and remixed for consumption on a home stereo rather than in a concert hall. That's why it sounds so much better than even a recording that straight off the live desk. However, other than levels and mastering, its pretty much how the gig was. Fantastic. /salute to the NEARfest team - they also have good taste in beer. What's not to love? |
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Post by chutch15 on Jul 12, 2008 4:11:39 GMT
Thanks drgoon! Glad you enjoyed yourself enough to come back for NEARfest X! BTW, just a little FYI for your PRR fans, it was confirmed by their manager this week that there are no overdubs on the live album. Thought you'd wanna know that!  |
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Post by murphymurphy on Jul 12, 2008 23:27:49 GMT
cos it sounds arse with them in  agreed, man. almost have to justify myself there. I actually prefer their "edited" version, just cause I feel (this is pretty blunt) that it's degrading to a band to cuss in their songs. Don't tune me out from here on out because I said that though, let me briefly explain. I frankly don't think it takes alot of skill and song writing art to throw a profanity or two in your songs. if you're working with your meter and rhyme scheme, it's easy and I'm sure pretty tempting to just say "screw it" and throw in an f-bomb to make the line fit better. I think it is a heck of alot more challenging (and rewarding from a lyrically appreciative fan's viewpoint) to take the extra couple of minutes to think of an appropriate word that fits with the message and meter. so, to sum up, I don't think it takes alot of effort for band's to throw in cuss words when stuff doesn't fit or rhyme. I gain a HECK of alot more respect for a band when they don't cuss and use "fillers." Peace, and don't hate. Chaps, regardless of whatever your views are about the rights and wrongs of illegal sharing of music in general, the bottom line is that we aren't going to facilitate people doing this with PRR's music on these boards. As has been mentioned above, we are on good terms with the band and we don't want anything to jeopardise that. So debate the general point as much as you like, and as long as no one is using this forum as a channel to direct/get directions to places where PRR's music can be stolen then we're all cool. (As a personal footnote that is just my opinion, why would anyone need to steal an album to check if it was any good in these days of Myspace and all the other streaming sites? Practically every band out there will have enough samples of their music available for streaming on the internet for you to decided whether you like them enough to buy their records or not. If anything, the situation is far better than the pre-internet radio situation - you'd never hear album tracks (non-singles) on the radio anyway, and these days sometimes you can via online streaming but even if you can't it's not like that's a regression. There are enough [legitimate] free samples of bands' music out there for people to make an informed decision about whether to buy a record or not that there's no real justification for stealing bands' music. It's not like you demand to see the whole of a film at the cinema before you decide if you want to pay for the ticket. Added to that there is the fact that albums are as cheap as I can remember them ever being in my 26 years (certainly in the UK) - 10 years ago there was no way you could get an album for £7-£9 like the average price today. Bottom line is, stop being tightasses and just pay the people who make the product that you consume a fair price for that product. Not got enough money to buy everything you'd like to? Boo fucking hoo, welcome to the world. I'd like to live in a bigger house, but I haven't got the money to do it so I don't. That's how life works.) lol, sorry to be jumping in at old posts, but I definitely agree here too. I completely agree that with the myspace/last.fm/other sites one can relatively easily make a decision about whether or not he wants to purchase the album for which he's shopping. I know I did, and I cannot express how glad I was that I did! it's also about respect. others have admitted that they download music, and I do it alot too. but there are some bands that I don't torrent. Let's see, Led Zeppelin Pure Reason Revolution Tool mewithoutYou and I honestly think that's about it. So my admission to my "respect list," if you will, is pretty hard to come by. kudos to PRR for making such freaking great music and earning their spot there, lol! and I don't think you have to torrent an album for a band to find out if you like it enough to buy or not. Especially for bands on your respect list, as I hope PRR is on all of yours, it's almost like a trust thing. You know they're going to produce quality music that doesn't get old, whatever it may sound like from their samples or other hype. That's what it's mainly about, respect and support for the band, for me at least. and it doesn't help that I'm a completionist. dangit. oo oo oo, and the lord of the rings complete recordings soundtrack. I refuse to torrent that, but I will buy it one day! lolz! ;D |
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Post by ryan on Jul 13, 2008 1:07:23 GMT
yeah, there's the odd thing i won't torrent eithier as it happens. hehe. it tends to be back catalouge stuff, where i know if i torrent it i won't listen to it all properly whereas i will stumping up for the CD.
on the swearing, i don't think it makes you any less clever to use it. i think it's about knowing where to use it. being able to spout off about how angry you are, like a walking thesaurus, is pointless when you can just use one little word. what i didn't really dig was that it didn't fit in with the rest of the lyrics, dispite it being 'just a word' it does have a certain quality when you aren't expecting it, and it just kinda made me cringe a little i guess. though i'm not a massive fan of the edit it has to be said.
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Post by murphymurphy on Jul 13, 2008 1:37:16 GMT
I can see where you're coming from, and you make a pretty good argument, but I still disagree. I guess, being a poetry lover, I like big words and stuff that makes one think about what he's reading, and that's one reason I love PRR so much: because if you really want to find out what they're talking about, you've got to look closely at what they're saying (see my extra-long post on the Dark Third topic  . And then when PRR drops an f-bomb or whatever, it almost groups them with all the other bands that do that. And trust me, you don't want to be grouped with the bands I'm thinking of -- shallow, boring, greedy, disreputable, meaningless, stereotypical, attention-hogging, greedy (have I said that before?), selfish and independent, just in it for the money bands. And don't BY ANY MEANS think I'm grouping PRR with them, I'm just saying I've seen it before. It's just that first time that's kind of like breaking open a dam. After the initial time, it gets easier and easier to do it again and again and more and more. So just them saying something like that almost disappoints me. I guess it's just moral convictions (gasp, we don't need any of those in here!), but I have a TON of respect for led zeppelin for basically never cussing in their songs. On the other hand, I really don't have too much respect (at all) for bands like Rage Against the Machine that cuss way too much, even for someone without convictions, lol. I guess what I'm saying is I don't want PRR to become a band that just throws in f-bombs whenever convenient, because I don't like it, and I don't want to listen to it. And that could be one (minor) reason why Deus Ex Machina isn't one of my favorites from them, and that could also be why one this "censored" version is my choice between the two. lol So I've probably lost any respect from you guys that I had gained by my earlier posts. Sorry! |
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Post by Lawrie on Jul 13, 2008 8:37:35 GMT
On the topic of the fabled f-bomb in (or not in, as the case may be) Deus Ex Machina, I'm totally for keeping it in.
As I think is pretty well established by now, I'm in the school that doesn't really give a fig about the lyrics in PRR songs [-So why do you care about whether the "fuck" is in Deus? -I'll get there in a second]. Not knocking anyone who does take more interest than me in PRR's lyrics (and there are more people who do than people who feel the same as me), and I'm not knocking the actual lyrics themselves. They just don't do it for me, is all. My favourite lyrics are the very literal and witty types that you get from the likes of The Streets and Pulp etc, or even metaphorical ones where the point/narrative thrust of the lyrics are fairly easy to get a hold of, such as from Radiohead and R.E.M. etc. PRR fall into the category of bands I love whose lyrics are nearly 100% irrelevant to my enjoyment of the music, along with the likes of The Mars Volta, Mew, Sigur Ros (if their songs count as having lyrics!), and Klaxons. All of these bands have surreal lyrics that just don't press my buttons, but that doesn't mean I like the band any less at all, and I also have no problems with anyone who is really into the lyrics of these types of bands.
But I'd prefer the f-bomb kept in Deus. Not because I think it makes contextual sense to the narrative thread of the song - I can't even identify what maybe 60% of the actual words to that song are, let alone begin to guess at what narrative thread there might be, if one exists at all! I just think it sounds[/i] like it should be there. Or at least the edit sounds somehow 'wrong' to me. So on the basis that the songs sounds better (to my ears, at least), I'd plump for the band leaving it in there on the final version. But that's just my opinion, and I wouldn't want to have a pop at anyone who wasn't happy with it in there... as long as that rather lame 'scratching out' edit was replaced with some proper alternative word for the lyrics, anything's better than an obvious 'censor edit' on a song!
Also, think I asked it before, and I wouldn't expect anyone other than the actual band to have the answer, but [given that the edit was 100% a band decision, as chutch15 was kind enough to tell us] does anyone else think it very strange that in all the live performances (including NEARfest, as it happens!) and studio demo streams that we've heard of Deus, the f-bomb has been present and correct, and so far it has only been the Live album where an edit/censor has been present? It confuses me something rotten - the band were the people who wrote the song (with the "fuck" as a part of their creation), and have both played and made early recordings of the song with the f-bomb left in it, and yet *they* are the people who took the decision to make the edit on the Live album. I'm not doubting chutch's information at all that they *did* make the decision on that, but I don't understand the logic of the decision given that they created Deus with the "fuck" as a part of the song. My brow is certainly furrowed!
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. And then when PRR drops an f-bomb or whatever, it almost groups them with all the other bands that do that. And trust me, you don't want to be grouped with the bands I'm thinking of -- shallow, boring, greedy, disreputable, meaningless, stereotypical, attention-hogging, greedy (have I said that before?), selfish and independent, just in it for the money bands. And don't BY ANY MEANS think I'm grouping PRR with them, I'm just saying I've seen it before. It's just that first time that's kind of like breaking open a dam. After the initial time, it gets easier and easier to do it again and again and more and more.